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jyn ✧ (ง •̀_•́)ง ✧ erso ([personal profile] realists) wrote in [community profile] meadowlark2020-09-19 06:34 pm

@jyn.erso

[ gross, talking to people. but needs must. ]

I need someone to let me stab them.

I'll fix it.

Thanks.
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[personal profile] plainsimple 2020-09-19 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Will you elaborate?
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@julian.bashir

[personal profile] frontierbashir 2020-09-19 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Jyn! Don't ask to hurt people just to practice your powers!
Edited 2020-09-19 23:05 (UTC)
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[personal profile] frontierbashir 2020-09-19 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't allow you to do this. A healer shouldn't harm someone just to heal them up again. It's immoral.
Edited 2020-09-19 23:13 (UTC)
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@lance.sweets

[personal profile] lifetothefullest 2020-09-19 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Further explanation might be helpful here. Do you have a healing power or something?
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[personal profile] plainsimple 2020-09-19 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
The good doctor is deeply opposed to a great many things that could further learning. It's one of his quirks.

I would be willing to allow you to test your powers but I cannot have marks remaining for obvious reasons. He's entirely too perceptive.
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@julian.bashir

[personal profile] frontierbashir 2020-09-19 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Please pay her no mind. She wants to test the extent of her powers by harming people and then attempting to heal them.

[ This post is a direct response to Julian's protests and he's Big Mad. ]
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[personal profile] lifetothefullest 2020-09-19 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Any reason it has to be stabbing, in particular? That seems like kind of a dangerous way to jump back into practicing.
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[personal profile] lifetothefullest 2020-09-19 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
That's the impression I was getting, though at least that's better than some other reason for the question.

[So there's... That... He supposes.]
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[personal profile] frontierbashir 2020-09-19 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I implore you not to take her seriously.

I'm a physician and offered to have her test her powers on patients that get hurt accidentally, since whatever limits to her powers she has, I could either heal them the rest of the way or use traditional medicine to help.
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@tomoe.mikage

[personal profile] jinshi 2020-09-19 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Alright.

[ this sounds like the most tolerable way to socialise!! ]
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[personal profile] lifetothefullest 2020-09-19 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Probably depends on the bone and how badly you break it.

[And now he's morbidly curious, but not enough to actually find out; he's broken a lot of bones but never been stabbed, and keeping up that streak seems like a good idea.

And, based on what Julian is saying, he has to ask--]


Are you sure your ability is that powerful? It's kind of taking a risk to jump right into trying to heal something that serious without knowing if you can actually do it or not.
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[personal profile] lifetothefullest 2020-09-19 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Don't worry, I'm not going to volunteer. Not super interested in being stabbed; I've heard it's worse than being shot and that's not very fun.

It does seem a lot safer and more ethical to practice in the way you're suggesting, though I'm not sure you'll be able to prevent people from actually volunteering. The best thing you can do might just be to supervise--if possible--if someone does agree to go along with this.
Edited 2020-09-19 23:34 (UTC)
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[personal profile] plainsimple 2020-09-19 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I believe humans say "what he does not know will not hurt him." Starfleet morals, those he sticks to, and Cardassian morals, those of my people, are very different.

It would be prudent to train healing abilities in our allies now, in a controlled setting, rather than waiting for when the ability is needed urgently. And as he is merely my associate and friend rather than partner in any traditional sense, he does not have any say over me or my actions.
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[personal profile] lifetothefullest 2020-09-19 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
No, I heard about that but didn't deal with anyone who it had actually happened to. Why?
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[personal profile] frontierbashir 2020-09-19 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't do that. I have a moral obligation to stop it.

The Hippocratic Oath mandates that physicians First Do No Harm.
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@cal.amari

[personal profile] kinkprofessor 2020-09-19 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I happily volunteer.
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[personal profile] lifetothefullest 2020-09-19 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Ideally I'd agree with you, and that definitely applies to harming anyone yourself or intervening if someone else is going to cause harm to an unwilling participant, but in a case where the 'victim' is volunteering it gets kind of grey. I mean, outside of a situation like this you could and probably should pull the whole 'preventing someone from causing harm to themselves' thing, but logistically enforcing that in a place like this is not really feasible. Unfortunately.

[Ethically, yes, it's kind of wrong to allow this to happen, but if it's going to happen anyway then pragmatically the most ethical thing might just be not to participate and then step in to help mitigate the damage as much as possible.]

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