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[personal profile] frontierbashir 2020-09-19 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't do that. I have a moral obligation to stop it.

The Hippocratic Oath mandates that physicians First Do No Harm.
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[personal profile] lifetothefullest 2020-09-19 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Ideally I'd agree with you, and that definitely applies to harming anyone yourself or intervening if someone else is going to cause harm to an unwilling participant, but in a case where the 'victim' is volunteering it gets kind of grey. I mean, outside of a situation like this you could and probably should pull the whole 'preventing someone from causing harm to themselves' thing, but logistically enforcing that in a place like this is not really feasible. Unfortunately.

[Ethically, yes, it's kind of wrong to allow this to happen, but if it's going to happen anyway then pragmatically the most ethical thing might just be not to participate and then step in to help mitigate the damage as much as possible.]
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cw: talk of suicide

[personal profile] frontierbashir 2020-09-19 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry, but I simply can't do that. It's like saying "allow this suicidal person to off themselves because they want to".

There are far safer ways to do this.
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[personal profile] lifetothefullest 2020-09-19 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
It's definitely not the same thing, but it doesn't have to be for you to still be morally against it.

I'm sure there are, I've just gotten used to the idea that you're not really going to be able to stop people from taking these kinds of risks, especially in a place like this. So unless you have some idea of how to actually do so, since your objections obviously haven't been listened to, you may have to just help where you can.