@clarke.griffin | may 28, 2512 (after event start)

[strove]

I'll be the first to admit that I wish we had done more in preparation. It was my fault in assuming that we had no way of preparing for this outcome. I still think that's true—but setup in the future based on this can be handled later. Right now, we need to work with what we've got.

We've done this before. I'm stepping up to do it again because I've called in some friends from PRESERVE and they're setting up a station here in Red Wings. We've got medical supplies, beds, and any halfway care that can be managed. We're also reasonably fortified. For now.

But this is happening all over. So, here's a place to discuss.

1. What have you noticed about the monsters? Any weaknesses?

2. Any sign of how to stem the flow? Is there a flow?

3. Actually, this isn't a question. Don't burn the monsters if you can help it. If these are like the last ones, that could be a problem.

4. If you get samples, store them well and we'll figure out what to do after this.

Otherwise? Use this as an organized way to discuss how to approach this. Some of you haven't been here for this. But it's worked. Let's use the resource we have.

One more thing. If anyone seems sick, holding on to them might help. It might cure them and bring them back to how they were before. We might be the cure to whatever's coming. Keep that in mind.

EDIT: I'm asking that we put a moratorium on discussion of training, whether obligatory or otherwise, until after this crisis. I think healthy debate and discussion is good, and we can even look at reworking our welcome materials to find a good middle ground. But now isn't the time.

I'm happy to set up that discussion then and take part, if you'd like. But—again—now isn't the time.

[OOC: This is the Clarke's "let's discuss in one place" post that she's done a few times. I won't necessarily be tagging everyone who tags in!]

Comments

@marian.hawke

[championofsnark]

I'm doing fine with my weapon for now, but we're going to need to be armed better. Do you know who has access to them?

[championofsnark]

Also armor of some kind.

[strove]

I have weapons, but not enough for everyone.

@ren.amamiya

[variate]

I've got some.
I'll bring them to Red Wings.

@adora.weaver

[dumbjockenergy]

• Civilians are pretty badly scattered right now. Our best bet might be to form groups to go out searching for people who still need help, and try to clear out safe areas that way. The same goes for looking for supplies. I'll be volunteering myself first and foremost, if anyone would like to join me.

• We need to train the civilians to protect themselves. There's more of them than there are of us. We'll need their help, and this is their city. They likely want to defend it.

• THIS is why I said we should require any new Displaced to learn to fight before they leave the Safehouse. The guide provided to us when we arrive even explicitly says that Displaced can expect to 'fight for their lives at some point or another' after detailing multiple violent attacks this world has endured.

When I suggested this before, I was told that this should not be expected of everyone and would not work for everyone. But we are in a situation where we need every able body we can get to fight off this flood of monsters. We do not know that this will be the last time we are in this situation.

To allow unsuspecting Displaced to come into a new world with these kinds of dangers, unable to protect themselves is unacceptable and irresponsible. It is going to cost lives.

@james.barnes

[freightcars]

You're right.
There are days of downtime where they can't join the general population. They could be used for basic training.
Field medical, survival, self-defense. Even a small amount of preparation would make a big difference.
We have hole right now in our ability to come together as a group to strategize and implement plans efficiently. We need to solve it.

[strove]

It still can't be expected for everyone.

Either way, this isn't the time to discuss what we should have done. I'll keep your other notes in mind, but we're still operating according to what people are comfortable doing. We are not, and will not, require anyone who's Displaced to partake in combat training because you think it should be standard.

I should add that we're also not going to force training on civilians. If they aren't prepared or ready, that's up to them.

@tifa.lockhart

[powersouls]

That isn't fair. We shouldn't force people to prepare themselves to fight or even kill because they've been kidnapped here against their will. Not everyone wants to be a warrior or a soldier, and it's awful to say we won't give them a choice.

What does that mean, exactly, requiring them to learn to fight before they leave the safehouse? Do you want to trap them there until they agree, or until they're good enough?

@john.murphy

[reproached]

"allow"?

what are you gonna do

keep them locked in a hole forever?

@ren.amamiya

[variate]

[ he has an idea on where this is coming from: watching something happen and not being able to pin responsibility on anything, so taking it on yourself. ]

When people show up here, they already have their ability to make choices taken from them. If require people to do that, we're just holding that over them. We want to empower people, not take more away.
Offering might not be a bad idea, but the implications need to be thought through.

@marian.hawke

[championofsnark]

I know some civilians who are damned good fighters, from the fighting ring, they're at least as skilled as I am. They could help us. I'll find a way to contact them. I know there's gangs around too. They have enough self-interest to step up I'd imagine.

@steve.rogers

[fossils]

I don't think you're entirely wrong. Can't force or require anyone to fight, but when we've gotten through this and the dust's settled, I think maybe we should talk about how to better prepare folks for what they're stepping into here.

[ Because his introduction so far has been all of a week getting his bearings before a sudden world-wide monster invasion. ]

I can offer you a hand with patrols and supply runs, just give me a time and place to meet. I don't know that we have the means or time to instruct folks, but I think the person up there talking about getting civilian fighters in the loop has the right idea.

To anyone else who might be reading: It's early in this. Treat it like we're in for the long haul until we know otherwise. Keep in contact. If you're someone who can't fight, find someone who can and stick close, there's bound to be more folks here offering. Listen to the ones that've been here a while: head to Red Wings or the nearest PRESERVE site. There's bound to be something else you can help with there. We're going to need all the hands we can get.

@glimmer.moon

[sparklequeen]

I get where you're coming from, Adora but part of what we did back home and what we do here has to be fighting for people who can't.

I think people learning the basics of self-defense is important, but I don't know if we can expect everyone to just pick up and be fighters the same way we are.

The same way we HAD to be.

[chaire]

You can't make a soldier out of everyone.

My birthplace is known for all of its citizens being soldiers, but I can't deny that even in Sparta, that life was not for everyone. And once you left Sparta, that fact became even more obvious.

But... you're right in a way as well, there should be better protections in place to start. Admittedly, I've fought mythical beasts and creatures before, but never on this scale. What would that sort of protection even look like?

@castiel.winchester

[unwings]

Clarke Griffin is correct, this isn't the time to debate what could've been done differently.

However, your suggestions are valid. Displaced would be better served with basic combat training, but I find it doubtful we have either the influence or reach to mandate it for all citizens. Offering a voluntary public training course may be the more realistic avenue.

These discussions can be taken up once we've cleared the streets.

@eugene.hicks (flagged important, for all eyes)

[preseance]

I could use any hands with medical or soldiering experience on tours to bring in wounded civilians and supplies. Leaving at 0300. All's you gotta do is show up ready.

@robert.plant

[righteously]

Not sure if I mentioned it to you yet, but I figured out my power
I can rip poison out of people
Some of these things look venomous
If you run across anyone that looks like they need an antidote, let me know and I'll get there

@lexa.trikru,

[coalitions]

[She doesn't like this network.]

I will come with you.

[chaire]

Do you have every hand you need?

@john.murphy

[reproached]

wait what happens if we burn them

@stephen.strange

[rehandle]

We get them in our lungs. Last time that happened, people were struck down with sickness that eventually developed into rage behaviours.

@kassandra.eaglebearer

[chaire]

Tell me where to go.
Otherwise, I will focus on helping the roving bands of soldiers and mercenaries.

[strove]

We need information. We're fighting an enemy that we don't know.

Learn what you can for us.

@castiel.winchester

[unwings]

I can deliver a live specimen for research.

Civilians that aren't able to lock down in their homes should be evacuated and given fortified shelter in the interim, perhaps our safehouses. If we divide groups to cover each sector of the city, it shouldn't take long.

@stephen.strange

[rehandle]

There are going to be tens if not hundreds of thousands of civilians in need of shelter and our safehouses are too damaged by the initial appearance of the creatures and too vulnerable to further underground attack for them to be of use here.

We need to track down vacant buildings and fortify them for purpose, and look to repurposing any larger public buildings we can. Museums, leisure centres.

@ziggy.stardust

[stagethreeclinger]

uuuuh so its not an unlimited stock
but i mightve thrown some weapons together recently
anything basic like swords, knives, bows i can do quick
guns will take longer, but i have a few already done
if i had more time i couldve done vehicles but we're shit outta luck on that front now

point any fighters that need an inventory upgrade my way

@steve.rogers

[fossils]

Got anything that could pass for a shield?

@william.clayton-queen

[slavophile]

We captured a giant asshole bat from the safe house but we moved it. We'll need to move it again, but for now, it's out of the way.

Also, I was controlled by slug for a few minutes the other night. Woke up throwing hands. So, if anybody has questions about that.

@ian.fowler

[wittingly]

Did you just unironically say throwing hands

@cassian.andor

[evasives]

I have control over earth. I can help with fortifications for the Safehouse and Red Wings both with my power, especially if there is need for a quick fix. I cannot stay in either location full time, but please contact me and I will get over as soon as I can.

The Safehouse especially I am concerned about with these creatures digging the tunnels. I can control their supply and crush them inside, but new ones can continue to dig through it. I cannot stick around 24/7 to continually seal off the tunnels. Any ideas would be welcome.

[strove]

Have we seen any way to deter them?