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meadowlark2020-11-03 10:57 am
remorseful) wrote in meadowlark2020-11-03 10:57 am
@jimmy.page
Hey everyone. Before we get started, yes, my name matches with @robert.plant. We're brothers. I wanted to get that out of the way.
I just saw the message about who we are, and there's the part about how our powers are explained by some as being from the grace of a god, if you will. We have no real way of proving that. Aside from the ruins, that is, at least from what I've dug up. But the ruins don't have any links through searches, right? If you run an image search, you come up empty. I'm guessing this is leading to some dead ends, so I wanted to posit some questions for us today.
The big one being: why? How often are things lost to history?
Well, for one thing: pretty often. There wasn't as much written record until the mid-medieval period, I'm talking around the 12th century. And then it took humanity in my world until the early 21st century to really start digitizing what already existed. That meant going into the Vatican in a lot of ways, as well as hitting monasteries throughout Europe. And those are the ones that managed to make it. A lot got destroyed in WWI and WWII.
That's with just two World Wars. This world has had three. So, that's factor number one. Three World Wars. Things got destroyed, even if there was a push within humanities to get things digitized.
So, the next question. How did these people in New Amsterdam start worshipping us if there's a whole lot of information lost to history? From what I've gathered, these people got their information from a figure. But he had to get his information from somewhere, right? There are records that tie into what they're saying, things that only ... we could access. Do I have that right?
What I'm getting as is: there might be a private record somewhere out there about us. Not digitized. Hell, maybe even purposely not digitized. Someone didn't want this out there.
Back home, my brother and I—we're a part of a secret society. Or what was once one. We're legacies, late to the game. But we came to find out we had a bunker full of information waiting for us. Lots of that could've helped us. And there were chapters around the world, too. Mainly in Europe, all to keep some things in check.
What I'm trying to say is—I wouldn't be surprised if there was something like that here, but we haven't figured out the right place to look. Maybe that goes without saying, but I wanted to put it out there.
And if you have experience with this stuff, too? Let us know. It could give us some hints on where to get started here.
Thanks.
I just saw the message about who we are, and there's the part about how our powers are explained by some as being from the grace of a god, if you will. We have no real way of proving that. Aside from the ruins, that is, at least from what I've dug up. But the ruins don't have any links through searches, right? If you run an image search, you come up empty. I'm guessing this is leading to some dead ends, so I wanted to posit some questions for us today.
The big one being: why? How often are things lost to history?
Well, for one thing: pretty often. There wasn't as much written record until the mid-medieval period, I'm talking around the 12th century. And then it took humanity in my world until the early 21st century to really start digitizing what already existed. That meant going into the Vatican in a lot of ways, as well as hitting monasteries throughout Europe. And those are the ones that managed to make it. A lot got destroyed in WWI and WWII.
That's with just two World Wars. This world has had three. So, that's factor number one. Three World Wars. Things got destroyed, even if there was a push within humanities to get things digitized.
So, the next question. How did these people in New Amsterdam start worshipping us if there's a whole lot of information lost to history? From what I've gathered, these people got their information from a figure. But he had to get his information from somewhere, right? There are records that tie into what they're saying, things that only ... we could access. Do I have that right?
What I'm getting as is: there might be a private record somewhere out there about us. Not digitized. Hell, maybe even purposely not digitized. Someone didn't want this out there.
Back home, my brother and I—we're a part of a secret society. Or what was once one. We're legacies, late to the game. But we came to find out we had a bunker full of information waiting for us. Lots of that could've helped us. And there were chapters around the world, too. Mainly in Europe, all to keep some things in check.
What I'm trying to say is—I wouldn't be surprised if there was something like that here, but we haven't figured out the right place to look. Maybe that goes without saying, but I wanted to put it out there.
And if you have experience with this stuff, too? Let us know. It could give us some hints on where to get started here.
Thanks.
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Ever staged a kidnapping? What I'm asking is: how do we act as bait for the right people again?
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Do you want a staged abduction of Displaced, cultists, or some other target?
Also I noted another conversation you had going, and it would be extremely easy to remove a group like us from collective memory.
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As to the other part: what's your experience with that? I know how you can scrub someone from history, but a collective psychological rewrite takes a lot of power. Not impossible, but improbable. Also, it would need to be necessary.
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But once one has the resources to abduct or eliminate us, erasure is fairly easy - we were nothing more than a story. Tell the masses that - that we were a parable, an inspirational tale meant to build up hope in a dark time. Create or inspire a couple of disasters where we don't show up, apologize for being misleading, and a great many will lose hope and faith in our existence. In fact, start a campaign to 'encourage' people, something about everyone being able to be a hero, with a few non-Displaced examples, and most will be swayed. The few remainders will be those who knew us, easily discredited, or those who believe in conspiracies, who nobody listens to as it is. After all, what makes more sense? A group of people pulled from another universe and god-touched, or a government campaign to give the people a morale boost in difficult times that spiraled out of control? There are other ways to do it, of course, but give people a reason to disbelieve what might be strange and frightening, and most will take it.
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[No reason to go big on it.]
The rest just tells me we might need a hidden record of our own. This network is a start, but it's not tangible. A well-timed EMP might be able to knock it out, if they knew where to set it.
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And correct. But we must be careful about what records in particular we leave. We don't want them used against us.
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