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meadowlark2020-10-12 01:07 pm
wittingly) wrote in meadowlark2020-10-12 01:07 pm
@ian.fowler
I've found a firm that may be willing to represent us. Unfortunately it's becoming clear through my conversation with them that we'd have to disclose the truth about our IDs if we wanted to enter into any kind of partnership with them. In a nutshell, anything legally binding could become nullified without some extremely specific phrasing to accommodate our ID situation. Given that Riverstone finding out about Rey's fake ID is what set all of this into motion, an inquiry into the source of the IDs for the displaced would likely be inevitable. The law firm I was speaking with already started gently probing onto the subject and I haven't even entered a formal agreement with them yet. I haven't given them any information about it yet whatsoever.
This means we'd need to make a group decision to divulge the nature of our IDs to this law firm. We would have attorney-client privilege so this information would be considered legally confidential. Despite that, it's still a big choice to make and I don't have the right to make it for us as a whole one way or the other.
I'm going to put up a poll. Please only respond once. I'll only proceed if there's an overwhelming majority in favor of continuing.
It may be worth keeping in mind that when the truth of our IDs does inevitably come out, having an already established source of legal representation could help us navigate that. It's also worth keeping in mind that the version of the truth we tell doesn't have to be the entire one.
UPDATE: By overwhelming response, we won't be partnering with any law firms. I'll still have them review the contract provided by Riverstone for any glaring loopholes, but beyond that I'll refund any excess donated funds. We can come back to this idea if/when the nature of our IDs becomes public.
This means we'd need to make a group decision to divulge the nature of our IDs to this law firm. We would have attorney-client privilege so this information would be considered legally confidential. Despite that, it's still a big choice to make and I don't have the right to make it for us as a whole one way or the other.
I'm going to put up a poll. Please only respond once. I'll only proceed if there's an overwhelming majority in favor of continuing.
It may be worth keeping in mind that when the truth of our IDs does inevitably come out, having an already established source of legal representation could help us navigate that. It's also worth keeping in mind that the version of the truth we tell doesn't have to be the entire one.
Poll #24692 Legal Representation Decision
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 17
Should we disclose the nature of our IDs to the law firm that is willing to represent us in our future legal proceedings?
UPDATE: By overwhelming response, we won't be partnering with any law firms. I'll still have them review the contract provided by Riverstone for any glaring loopholes, but beyond that I'll refund any excess donated funds. We can come back to this idea if/when the nature of our IDs becomes public.
@ren.amamiya
@cassian.andor
It is not our place to essentially out El to anyone without zeir say. Even having this conversation without discussing it with zeir should not move forward without zeir voice. Revealing we have an AI aiding us could backfire in more ways than I can count. It would jeopardize Morningstar and us for the association. Any goodwill both we and Morningstar have obtained could be wiped out if it leaks that the source of our IDs is an AI, much less one people still demonize for the Xelkov War.
The people of this world are vehemently anti AI. I might even say fanatically against them. Releasing this information even in secrecy risks the firm tossing aside the confidentiality immediately to go public with it, that again I will emphasize is not ours to share. El has trusted us to keep zeir secret. All it takes is one person. I have taken advantage of that kind of leak many times.
If we could come up with an alternative reason for these IDs, that is another story, but to reveal the truth is simply... unwise, for a kinder term.
[ IT'S NOT YOU IAN..... cassian just has very little trust in the displaced as a whole to be smart about this. maybe he will be proven wrong...?? tldrs. ]
@gaby
Morningstar would implode from within if they knew they were jerked around by Elysian for the last 50 years. This world wouldn't survive that.
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The decisions we make as Displaced need to consider this planet and what its people need, not just our own curiosities.
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@ren.amamiya
They might not even believe it. [ as someone who dealt with the law when it came to, uh, assassinations in an alternate world. ]
But if people want to go forward with this, it can't hurt El or Morningstar.
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I agree. And I do not currently see a way to be completely truthful about our IDS in a way that does not hurt the both of them.
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Once it's disclosed, we can put it back in the box.
@goro.akechi
What assurances do we have that the confidentiality you're referring to will mean anything? Wouldn't our falsified IDs put us at risk for that not mattering?
I doubt they're claimed the possibility of that. Why would they?
@jyn.erso
It should be up to El regardless. It's El's life and privacy at stake, we don't have rights to that.