@stephen.strange

[rehandle]

I was involved in the interrogation of Kurt Fischer. The decision was made to keep him contained. We did not kill him, he was not tortured, pains were taken to ensure he did not kill himself. The UNA did not offer us the same courtesy. They sent twenty five soldiers to collect one man. Of the three of us on watch, myself and a colleague were killed with intent and without hesitation. The third was lucky to survive.

Do not take them at their word. And do not turn this into a retrospective conversation about the value of murder. A choice was made, the consequences are what they are.

If you have questions, I'll do my best to answer them.

Comments

@rey.nolo

[forcevisions]

We need to do something about it.
As long as the UN gets away with their lies about Morningstar, all of the Displaced are in danger because of what we did.

[rehandle]

It's not something we can undo overnight. The priority in the short-term has to be caution.

@jon.snow

[998]

We suffered a loss. It happens. We can come back from this.

All of the Displaced we're always at risk. You weren't the ones who put them there. The UN built a world we could never be safe without hiding. We've been fighting them all this time, and we'll keep fighting. They know a bit more about us now. We know a bit more about them too.

@xuanyu.mo

[laozu]

Mister Doctor Strange speaks correctly.

That the UN soldiers shot at us to kill, rather than to capture, speaks volumes of their approach in my opinion.

@goro.akechi

[impede]

Or perhaps they found a means to follow Morningstar back. We need to do our due diligence.

["We." Not that Akechi's a Morningstar boy, but he can see the value in the rest.]

@goro.akechi

[impede]

Not to dissuade any discussion of undoing the marred reputations—I believe there is value in that myself—but we need to talk about why they wouldn't take you, as well.

It sounds like they could have very easily done that.

So, why haven't they? Or rather, why didn't they?

HERE, BUT NOT.

[laozu]

[ fyi this really triggers his own paranoia, THANKS AKECHI ]

[rehandle]

Going on the assumption that we were only Morningstar operatives, they would have no reason to remove us. Even if we were revived, what could three Morningstar agents do to combat the weight of the word of the UNA?

But if they knew we were part of the group of anomalies they're now clearly wary of, we do potentially have a greater issue on our hands.

As far as physical trackers go, the two of us who died have been through the medi-units. My clothes have been disposed of. Still, if you think it's worth a scan for tech, I'd be willing to undergo one.

@illya.kuryakin

[kgbs]

[ killed and yet here he was, alive and talking. ]

I would ask if anything useful was uncovered during the interrogation but if that soldier is still alive, I would be absolutely shocked.

[ he knows what his superiors would have done if someone had been compromised. ]

I think this tells us that being diplomatic and merciful in the future isn't going to work. I am not suggesting a full offensive but we're going to need to change our way of thinking and doing now as well.

[rehandle]

Regardless of the likelihood of Kurt Fischer's survival, we did learn a few key details. The lead on the possible whereabouts of the taken Morningstar agents may be worthless now, though should still be cautiously pursued. We were also given confirmation that the UNA are operating using software they don't want falling into outside hands.

We knew this to an extent, but the man tried biting through fingers so that he could kill himself to keep it safe.

[ as for the rest, Stephen takes a breath. ]

We may not be given future opportunity to be diplomatic or merciful. We'll adapt as we have to.

@wangji.lan

[wangxian]

He speaks truthfully.

[ lan wangji does not mince words. ]

I too will answer all that I can.

[laozu]

Lan Zhan.

Remember how many times you told ME to rest, hm?? [ REVENGE IS (BITTER)SWEET ]

[laozu]

Well, as long as you answer things while you take it easy, it'll be fine.

@jack.miller

[personalwar]

You were killed?

[rehandle]

Yes.

@cassian.andor

[evasives]

[ it says not to talk about the value of murder, and cassian's gonna try REAL HARD to avoid that topic, even if he doesn't see how it can be ignored forever. it's not his fault that's his literal area of expertise! and now... this mess is effecting everyone. because they tried to show mercy to someone who would have killed them all without hesitation. ]

Without anyone taking it personally, how many of those on this mission have been involved in an organization like Morningstar before?

I have been told from the start it is a militant group. Given the nature of this world and its politics, was anyone expecting mercy from the UNA? Their violence does not surprise me.

[rehandle]

I can't speak for the rest, but I have not.

I'm not surprised we were treated with deadly force. But it bears telling so that nobody underestimates them in the future, and to ensure nobody among us is left believing this mission was something it wasn't.

@gaby.teller

[myownwoman]

As this incident now affects us all, regardless of our involvement in the actual event, it is not particularly equitable to enforce a moratorium on a conversation we were not invited to in the first place.

That being said, my question may have been covered in the original conversation: was the benefit of Kurt Fischer's testimony necessary to further, presumably, Morningstar's goals?

[rehandle]

Theoretically, I agree with you. In reality a friend and I have recently been murdered and at present time I would rather not discuss the ways in which we could have avoided the outcome by murdering someone else first. Those conversations tend to be volatile and having just been reanimated I don't physically have the energy to do anything other than contribute to potential animosity. If anyone wishes to discuss it, both they and I would be better served by them doing so elsewhere.

Kurt Fischer was questioned regarding the whereabouts of the agents who were taken in the previous raids - so to that end, yes.

@poe.dameron

[followhim]

if we're not turning it into a " retrospective conversation about the value of murder," can we turn it into a retrospective conversation about the value of interrogation practices?

[ he's just saying, as a professional asshole and wisecracker: told u so. he just wanted to drive the car, man. ]

anyway, i agree with the idea that we should lay low. any action we make now's gonna be a bad action. proving them wrong about us is great, but we gotta live long enough to make it happen -- something we're already having some bad luck with.

uh, hope you're feeling better

[rehandle]

You're welcome to if you can find any takers.

[ and he's just going to

leave the actual conversation point raised here for somebody else to pick up from. it deserves to be covered if people are angry, which they've every right to be, but he and the others (looking at you, too, poe) are the ones who contributed to the decisions and actions that did the damage. they can't undo that. it's everyone else who gets to pass judgement. ]

Thanks.

@matches.malone

[reneger]

How was his head?

[rehandle]

Scattered, he was under the influence of a pair of power sets that limited his agency. But in the absence of the technology used to unify them, he was an individual. Conditioned with certain beliefs and training, but holding and forming his opinions of his own accord.

It's a software that makes them the way they are. That software couldn't reach him with the networks down.

@daisy.johnson

[evite]

i hate to beat a dead horse (sorry, strange) but the una was never going to give us that courtesy.
we have to be willing to make the tough calls here, or we're not going to survive.

[ she's not... suggesting murder, but she's also not not suggesting lethal forms of self-defense. ]

[rehandle]

Duly noted.

[ he's not in total agreement with the implications, but that's neither here nor there. he's promised himself he's not getting into it now. ]

@hafid.alghul

[batricide]

Don't fucking do that again.

[ That isn't a question, Damian. ]

private,

[rehandle]

[ if anyone can get away with bending post rules in this particular instance, it's damian.

there are so many things he needs to say. ]

I know.

text; @gabriel.reyes

[gravemistake]

Oof, tough break. So are you a clone now, or what?

[rehandle]

Not that I'm aware of. Revived.

Regarding the information you dropped. Unsurprisingly, the UNA are still using a variant of the ALIGN software.

@ianto.jones

[torchwoodteaboy]

Maybe this is asking the obvious, but. With the current state of the city, it's hard to stay in the loop.

As far as this Kurt Fisher was concerned. "The decision was made" by whom exactly? And upon what grounds?

[Without having read through their entire conversation, Ianto feels somewhat the same as Cassian on the matter.]

@daisy.johnson

[evite]

[ well, someone has to answer him. ]

there was a discussion amongst people affiliated to morningstar on the network.
some of us believed that we would be safer killing the agent in question to prevent him from being traced back to our location, some believed that any action whatsoever exposed us to retaliation, and some said that morningstar had to be the bigger person and not sink to the una's level.

turns out it didn't matter what we did, the una was always going to paint us as a bunch of dirty terrorists.

@daenerys.targaryen

[dragonwarder]

I would like to second [Bad username or site: poe @ dameron]'s train of thought.

He was a soldier, presumably loyal to his cause.
You say you did not torture him, you did not kill him.
I respect that decision, if you tell it true.

[Which obviously indicates that she doesn't believe the whole truth of that statement.]

Perhaps you will forgive my ignorance.
How exactly did you plan to obtain information from him?

[rehandle]

[ the insinuation doesn't go missed, but without any direct accusation he'll let it sit. ]

We utilized relevant power sets to induce a willingness to share.
I then used my power to check the truthfulness of his responses and fed back additional details to the interrogators via the implant. I can read minds.